Tuesday, December 18, 2012

National - raising taxes

Again and again and again.

Shameful.

We are making fools of you, New Zealand.

18 comments:

Paranormal said...

Is the "Irony" button on?

It is shameful, but then again that's always been standard Green settings. Thought you'd be overjoyed?

robertguyton said...

Shows how widely you miss the mark with your expectations of me, Para.

fredinthegrass said...

Broaden your thinking,Rg. You are in danger of
becoming an "old fart" like me.
How to you plan on paying for the ever-increasing demands the population is 'putting' on to Government?
Even Rusty Abnormal is struggling for ideas.
Oh well!! It is Christmas so have a good one, and don't eat all your lettuces at once.

robertguyton said...

The population is putting ever-increasing demands on the Government? Who saw that coming! Those politicians have been taken entirely by surprise then! Taxes, eh Fred!@ National professes to hate them, but here they are, loading some more onto us, as if the GST hike wasn't enough. Seems to me thay have been making fools of us all, but their supporters in particular. I hear though, that the trucking industry boys are very happy - they get their roads and we get to pay for them! Nice.
Merry Christmas to you and all who sail in you, Fred.

Paranormal said...

Fred - with an ever increasing population it should follow there is an ever increasing GDP and accordingly government revenue would follow. The real problem is where government created distortions have unbalanced the revenue to expenditure equation.

Case in point: increased population means more cars on the road = more petrol used = increased revenue for the roads. The problem is the revenue has been syphoned off over successive governemnts for unrelated pet projects.

robertguyton said...

"Case in point: increased population means more cars on the road = more petrol used = increased revenue for the roads."

That's logical, but doesn't mention an increase in tax on petrol. That has occured for different reasons, most widely reported as an attempt to meet National's self imposed and meaningless surplus target. I know the revenue taken from the motorist will go into a dedicated fund, but that will in tiurn feen National's non-cost benefit-analyzed road programme that's in place for the sake of the trucking industry, despite National's claims that it's for economic stimulation. Round and round we go and the ordinary bloke pays more tax than ever before.

Paranormal said...

What I was pointing out was Fred's logic is flawed. We both agree the increased rate of tax is wrong but for different reasons.

It's not just the trucking industry that benefit from the improved roads. I regularly drive on the roads that are for upgrade and believe they are necessary. But I guess that's another discussion.

fredinthegrass said...

For many years Paranormal, government saw fuel taxes as a cash cow. I was on a district roads board for a while - what an eye-opener!! - and we 'apportioned' a meagre ration as effectively as we could.
Now more of the revenue is directed to improving our roading network. In NZ we have two main inhibiting factors in achieving better roads - the terrain and a small population.
Simplistically we are making progress, albeit hampered by rising costs and political machinations.

Rg, your tilt at the trucking industry suggests you know little of the industry. Try your hand at "line-haul" driving for a stretch, do a few rural town deliveries on the way, cart livestock into or from some back country stations, meet the dead lines imposed by profit hungry retailers.
The figures I have seen quoted suggest the extra cost will be minimal for individuals.

robertguyton said...

9 cents extra over the next three years, on top of any industry increases, minimal, Fred?

You must be on the pig's back if that's not goiung to impact on you. Ordinary folk are going to be hurt by this extra taxation. I don't notice any roads of significance plannned for down here.

fredinthegrass said...

Last time I was in your neck-o'-the-woods,Rg, I don't recall traffic jams, or even poor roads. Quite the reverse in fact.
$156 is the highest figure for the "average motorist". And that is after 3 years.
Now, I hate the use of average as it demeans most on either side of 'average', but you are misrepresenting the effect of this sensible and restrained "taxing'.
And surely this must please the "green" in you as the potential for reduced miles driven resulting in lowered carbon emissions is huge.
Please enlighten me as to why you are not in favor of reducing emissions.

robertguyton said...

I do favour reduced emissions, Fred. I don't believe that's the driving force behind this end-of-year dump on the motorist though. English said the acheiving of the stupid 'surplus' goal is reliant on this tax, so they slapped it on with that in mind, didn't they. I'm astonished that you don't object to national prising this extra tax out of you on a pretext. You've been taken in.

robertguyton said...

And Fred, why did you write 'taxing', rather than taxing?
Can't you bring yoursaelf to admit that National are tax, tax, tax and we have to pay, pay, pay? I know it seems wrong, that National said they were against taxing, but there ya go, they lied!

fredinthegrass said...

It may not be the 'driving' force, Rg, but an acknowledgment of the benefit of reduced emissions would add weight to your otherwise flimsy argument re tax, tax, etc.
Pop over to Kiwiblog and check out some interesting facts DPF has posted. I know it is difficult for you to accept that this Govt. has achieved some remarkable things.

robertguyton said...

Fred, any government that's been in power for two terms will have achieved something that would make its followers happy - after all, they've been borrowing huge amounts of money to do that. Looking at the things they have done badly, National has a great deal to answer for - their failures have been spectacular and make them look very amateurish. Even worse are the actions National have taken that damage the country - asset sales, climate change cowardice, destruction of the quality of education, erosion of the RMA and local government, Ecan - want me to go on? Looking more broadly, Fred, as I do, it's a worrying picture and one that I expect to come to a welcome end at the next election. In the fields I am most closely involved; environment, education, local government, the performance of National has been a disgrace.

fredinthegrass said...

That explains your 'bias',Rg.
While they are vital areas of society, their place is only secure if the fiscal policy is sound.
You must agree, the left/far left policy in this area is woeful to say the least.
Carefully wrought negativism from from a very skewed media ensures the "people" are fed a load of codswallop. So who can blame them from coming to the wrong conclusions.
By the way did you see the list I suggested you look at or were you too busy 'erecting' - it does look fabulous.

robertguyton said...

I don't bother with Farrar anymore, Fred, since the times he claimed the Greens "wanted to shoot the national dairy herd".
That was stupidity of the highest order, in my opinion, so I dismissed him as a fool and don't bother listening to his opinion.
As to the fiscal situation, weĺl never agree, I suppose, but to my mind, Key and English have done an awful job and are reduced now to scrambling to confuse the public in order hide their failures in financial management.
Iḿ trialling, btw, corrugated clear-light as a possible solution. I only have one part-sheet to play with, so might have to fork-out if the trial looks good :-)

fredinthegrass said...

More's the pity, Rg.
He has had a couple of pretty useful posts recently.
The last one to back his claim he will rubbish right or left if he feels it warranted.
Still if you have the 'blinkers' on so be it.

robertguyton said...

I don't believe Farrar takes a balanced view, Fred. Nor do I trust anything he says. I involved myself with his blog very intensely for a couple of years and found him to manipulative and untrustworthy.
Guess I'll just have to pass on Farrar.