"STEADY, COMRADES, STEADY. This is the worst they have. This is all they’ve got left. After this, they have nothing. So, hold steady, comrades, hold steady."
Chris Trotter has the best statement on the ports dispute.
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Animal
said...
About time those lazy port workers got a kick up the backside
You clearly spent too much time at University, animal, with your nose stuck into your books. Arguments like that you've presented here go whizzing far above the heads of us unlearned folks - some of the technical terms you've used make my head swim! If you've got a point to make, animal, speak to us in the language of the common man - language we can understand.
The unions are a joke and have been since they effectively became about political ideology instead of workers rights.
The unions have blood on their hands regarding Pike river, and even though it is now being revealed that there was some astonishing corporate arrogance and greed from the shareholders and management, there is barely a whimper of coverage and certainly no will to report the truth.
It made me almost sick when the EPMU took such a visible place at the Pike memorial openings recently, they are nothing but a pack of shameless liars and political opportunists.
And now they have blown it for the workers on Auckland wharves.
If you don't like unions, Shunda, just come out and say it. Stop beating around the bush. Have you read Robert Winter? Have you read Chris Trotter? Or are you just looking into the depths of your own anti-union fury?
One thing I find incredible with you Robert is this whole 'us vs them' thing.
I don't recognise your hatred for the right as valid, I don't see left as good and right as evil, I look at the individual issues and try to work out the truth of what is going on.
The unions utterly stuffed up at Pike river and they utterly stuffed up in Auckland, thankfully no one got killed in Auckland.
There are 'facts of the matter' that you need to consider if you want to be taken seriously. Did you watch Len Brown on Campbell live last night? Is he an evil right wing bigot too? (you called me a Nazi yesterday)
What is it then Robert? a game? just a line drawn in the sand and a commitment to defend your side regardless of the problems within?
In one sense I can understand this as a sort of "I am committed to the left warts and all", but then, that is hardly going to help discover the truth in any given issue is it.
You can't have it both ways.
You are either a blind loyalist to the left or you are a truth seeker with eyes open, it can't be both.
I don't get it, I don't reckon you are playing to your strengths and I don't understand why you would defend conduct that erodes strong rational left wing issues like workers rights (which I actually strongly believe in)
Is there such a thing as a 'good' lie? Is it ok for the left to tell fibs because the end justifies the means?
On the ports issue, Shunda, I reckon the place was running pretty well and the changes being demanded by the ports managers, unnecessary. While there could have been adjustments made, following good faith bargaining, that wasn't the way it was done and the results are disastrou for all concerned. The cost of this 'process' has been huge and the relationships destroyed. That's to say nothing of the families involved. As for your "I am committed to the left warts and all", if you mean that to refer to me, I call 'nonsense' to that. Don't forget, Shunda, I'm not a Labour voter, nor do I belong to a union.
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About time those lazy port workers got a kick up the backside
You clearly spent too much time at University, animal, with your nose stuck into your books. Arguments like that you've presented here go whizzing far above the heads of us unlearned folks - some of the technical terms you've used make my head swim!
If you've got a point to make, animal, speak to us in the language of the common man - language we can understand.
The unions are a joke and have been since they effectively became about political ideology instead of workers rights.
The unions have blood on their hands regarding Pike river, and even though it is now being revealed that there was some astonishing corporate arrogance and greed from the shareholders and management, there is barely a whimper of coverage and certainly no will to report the truth.
It made me almost sick when the EPMU took such a visible place at the Pike memorial openings recently, they are nothing but a pack of shameless liars and political opportunists.
And now they have blown it for the workers on Auckland wharves.
Disgraceful corruption of a once noble cause.
If you don't like unions, Shunda, just come out and say it. Stop beating around the bush. Have you read Robert Winter? Have you read Chris Trotter? Or are you just looking into the depths of your own anti-union fury?
One thing I find incredible with you Robert is this whole 'us vs them' thing.
I don't recognise your hatred for the right as valid, I don't see left as good and right as evil, I look at the individual issues and try to work out the truth of what is going on.
The unions utterly stuffed up at Pike river and they utterly stuffed up in Auckland, thankfully no one got killed in Auckland.
There are 'facts of the matter' that you need to consider if you want to be taken seriously.
Did you watch Len Brown on Campbell live last night?
Is he an evil right wing bigot too?
(you called me a Nazi yesterday)
Firstly, Shunda - a thousand dollars to you if you can show this to be true:
"(you called me a Nazi yesterday)"
Secondly, I didn't watch Len Brown on Campbelllive so can't comment.
Thirdly, your accusation that I 'hate the Right' is nonsense. That you think I do is a very different thing to it being the case.
There're three things for you to chew on, should you choose :-)
What is it then Robert? a game? just a line drawn in the sand and a commitment to defend your side regardless of the problems within?
In one sense I can understand this as a sort of "I am committed to the left warts and all", but then, that is hardly going to help discover the truth in any given issue is it.
You can't have it both ways.
You are either a blind loyalist to the left or you are a truth seeker with eyes open, it can't be both.
I don't get it, I don't reckon you are playing to your strengths and I don't understand why you would defend conduct that erodes strong rational left wing issues like workers rights (which I actually strongly believe in)
Is there such a thing as a 'good' lie? Is it ok for the left to tell fibs because the end justifies the means?
On the ports issue, Shunda, I reckon the place was running pretty well and the changes being demanded by the ports managers, unnecessary. While there could have been adjustments made, following good faith bargaining, that wasn't the way it was done and the results are disastrou for all concerned. The cost of this 'process' has been huge and the relationships destroyed. That's to say nothing of the families involved.
As for your "I am committed to the left warts and all", if you mean that to refer to me, I call 'nonsense' to that. Don't forget, Shunda, I'm not a Labour voter, nor do I belong to a union.
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