looks to me that the historical symbol of socialism, the red rose, has lost its thorns and Labour chose the easy way out by going with a trashed to dead concept of a fern..nothing wrong with the fern pur sang but come on...something more original and innovative would have been welcome
Imho it doesn't symbolizes the values and believes on which the old labour party was founded up in Blackball.
And believe me or not, I had these values beaten into me as a wee kid with a grandfather who truly believed in good old socialism preached by the great leaders in Mother Russia.
But I understand with the MMP system, the values of most parties have watered down
That's interesting Dutchie - I certainly hear and read that Labour rank and file are disenchanted with where their party now sits. I hear the same from National party grass-rooters (excuse the term). Act too has drifted seriously far from its base supporters. The Maori Party are presently learning what it means to wander way off base. The Greens? Well, I have my views though I'd be more interested in hearing yours regarding whether the leadership is still in touch with the on-the-ground greenies :-)
Perhaps Labour should explore ecosocialism. Green Jobs for the green age.
A red rose was a nice symbol. But a fern is part of our ecology.
Maybe the new fern symbolises regrowth in which case Phil Goff needs to be put to pasture, and newer blood like David Parker, Charles Chauvel, Cuniliff, Jacinda Ardern and others take their place.
Yes Robert, you are right. Also within the Nats are some (long serving), more conservative members not always happy with the shift towards the middle. Don't forget it was an algamation between the liberals and the conservatives after all. But nonetheless they all understand that this is unavoidable under the current MMP system.
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looks to me that the historical symbol of socialism, the red rose, has lost its thorns and Labour chose the easy way out by going with a trashed to dead concept of a fern..nothing wrong with the fern pur sang but come on...something more original and innovative would have been welcome
A Triumph motorcycle against a red sky maybe Dutchie?
I think people will regard the red fern as just about right :-)
Imho it doesn't symbolizes the values and believes on which the old labour party was founded up in Blackball.
And believe me or not, I had these values beaten into me as a wee kid with a grandfather who truly believed in good old socialism preached by the great leaders in Mother Russia.
But I understand with the MMP system, the values of most parties have watered down
That's interesting Dutchie - I certainly hear and read that Labour rank and file are disenchanted with where their party now sits. I hear the same from National party grass-rooters (excuse the term). Act too has drifted seriously far from its base supporters. The Maori Party are presently learning what it means to wander way off base. The Greens? Well, I have my views though I'd be more interested in hearing yours regarding whether the leadership is still in touch with the on-the-ground greenies :-)
Perhaps Labour should explore ecosocialism. Green Jobs for the green age.
A red rose was a nice symbol. But a fern is part of our ecology.
Maybe the new fern symbolises regrowth in which case Phil Goff needs to be put to pasture, and newer blood like David Parker, Charles Chauvel, Cuniliff, Jacinda Ardern and others take their place.
Yes Robert, you are right.
Also within the Nats are some (long serving), more conservative members not always happy with the shift towards the middle.
Don't forget it was an algamation between the liberals and the conservatives after all.
But nonetheless they all understand that this is unavoidable under the current MMP system.
Only problem is that a new logo is a "nice to have".
What labour really need is a new leader.
Toad hit the nail on the head
The 'Toad-hammer' - a must-have in every toolbox!
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