Saturday, June 30, 2012

Ego/eco


5 comments:

Gerrit said...

Problem with the eco graph is that at 7 billion and counting, man and woman are under represented.

Add in another 6 men and 6 woman and you will have a far more accurate graphic.

It is the overarching problem of a finite eco system inhabited by infinite and uncontrolled numbers of humans.

Population control should be the number one green agenda as it will go miles towards also solving, by reducing the pressure on the eco system, any ecological inbalance.

robertguyton said...

And yet, Gerrit, no one's ever going to address that issue, so we'll have to work around it. Perhaps it can't be worked around. That being the issue, we need to mitigate like crazy. personally, I think a review of our relationship with the 'natural world', using degree of biodiversity as a measure, and make changes accordingly. I don't see that happening either, but it seems to me the way forward, theoretically.
So far as population control is concerned, it seems likely to me that events out of our control, climate change, plagues etc, will result in a reduction of our global population.

JayWontdart said...

Gerrit - we kill over 56 billion land animals each year (United Nations Food and Agriculture Organisation 2007 pdf http://bit.ly/56billion ) - I can assure you, we're firmly outnumbered by the Other Animals we "grow" each year. That figure includes over 49 billion Chickens alone.

Think about it - if each person has animal products three times a day, (with snacks!), theres got to be more of them than there is us :-)

Great chart on Speciesism Robert

Gerrit said...

Jay,

Your "we grow" statement proves my point.

Those 56 billion animals would not be born, slaughtered, consumed and have an eco detrimental effect, if the human population was a managable number.

The number of land animals would be naturally balanced by the eco system they inhabit.

I read the graphics as what effect each has on the eco system.

You read it as a numbers game.

Huge humans numbers influence the land animal numbers way way way above what the eco system is designed for.

Surely that is the point, no.

JayWontdart said...

Hi Gerrit,

this chart has been floating around the Animal Rights community for a year or so now, it refers to the "eco" world, the ecological world or "nature", and "ego", our own "human world", our own "human perception" that we are somehow special and "above" other animals. In this case, it shows that human males often feel themselves above human females, quite remarkable in its arrogance, yeah? :-)

From there we see whales, being a western graph, that whales are one of our "magical" animals, where dolphins are also put, "they're really smart and clever and lovely!". Interestingly enough, the Japanese feel the same way towards foxes, that foxes are a symbol of pure magic and divinity in Japan - the same feelings we often have about whales and dolphins. In both cultures, the opposite animal can be seen as a "pest", whales and dolphins kill smaller marine animals before *we* get a chance to kill those smaller animals for profit, and foxes break into farms and kill chickens, before *we* get a chance to kill the chickens for profit, go figure! They are each killed at least partially for this reason, as well as tradition.

The "Eco" side shows the "natural world", that All Animals Are Equal as Orwell wrote for "Animal Farm", the motto of the Invercargill Vegan Society.

A similar image to this is "racism=speciesism=sexism", linking all forms of injustice together, that they are *also* all equal :-)

http://erepublik.veganforce.net/img/speciesism-rasism-sexism.jpg

Should have posted my name sorry,
Jordan Wyatt