Sneaky, sneaky Peety Dung! Hiding a vital report that showed how we, the New Zealand public feel about alcohol use, just when the decision on what changes needed to be made was before Parliament. Key will have known too. Both of them should be whipped out of town.
This kind of behaviour is one reason why those of us who do not like Mr Key and his Right-wing party, despair at the seeming naivety of those who do.
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I like how you have naturally assumed that Key knows everything that Dunne does, then quickly have a crack at National voters because of something United Future has done, now RG, that IS naive.
It's like presuming you know everything that Ali Tims knows, just because your on council with her...... come on, wake up - and have a beer
(It's 'Timms', as with the possum trap, and I think I do have a clear bead on her thinking - I've studied her closely enough!)
I don't, despite your reckless claim, 'think Key knows everything that Dunne does', but I'm certain he would have known about the alcohol report. Do you think the Prime Minister wouldn't have been aware or made aware of such a contentious factor in a decision the whole country was focused on? If he didn't, it points to even greater incompetence. I sincerely hope both rats are roasted over this deceitful behaviour.
As for having a crack at National voters because of UntiedFuture's behaviour - get used to it. Coalitions mean shared responsibility. Every ugly thing Banks does will be sheeted , by me, and other clear-headed commentors, to National and the chumps who re-installed it into power :-)
Dithering Dunne too. And (bitter, greedy)Turia/Sharples (worn-out, going) and Flavell (ambition is his downfall).
And labour is blameless...... what a crock of shit.
gotta love anon...
Well said Robert ... hmmm I wonder if "Peter I'm for sale, name your price" was given a generous Christmas Present from .... ( I better not say liable laws and all that ) ......
Serious side I am really keen to get on any move to ban alcopops or STDs as they say from wholesale ( or strict purchase restrictions etc yeah not sure how it can be done BUT something needs to be done !!)
What brings my steam up the inevitable alcopop bottle dropped on public access ways on very regular occasions (particularly playgrounds) like every weekend( usually smashed etc ) ... I also suspect alcopops and their high alcohol content are the main reason our young get so drunk
RTDs not STDs! haha
This is shocking stuff indeed Robert.
Paulinem - i hear what you are saying re the alcopops however as someone who has experienced the misery that alcohol can cause a life first hand, and being the mother of 3 teenagers, i can say that this is where parents need to take responsibility re educating our children regarding alcohol and the potential dangers.
I know i personally, would rather have my daughter drinking an alcopop / RTD than drinking from a bottle of spirits, mixing the drink herself, or worse - trusting someone else to mix her drink for her - as i did when i was young.
There will always be alcohol, and the temptation to drink - banning alcopops is not going to take that away from our kids, or stop them drinking - it will only ensure that they drink the harder stuff - if they choose to drink.
Most teenagers will drink at some point in time. When i am sitting at home waiting for my daughter to get home on a Saturday night, it makes it easier to know that she has a 4 pack of something that i know she can handle - rather than downing a bottle of straight spirits - which is what has caused alcohol poisoning related deaths in recent years.
It is about educating our kids - not prohibiting. Prohibition does not work.
"Labour is blameless"
$1000 pounds to the man who can show where that was claimed, Anonymous!
I'm intrigued too, by your statenment that you gotta love yourself. It sounds very New Age-hippie. Is that what you are?
Pauline - a tinsle-wrapped quart of 'Grouse' perhaps?
I wonder what Dunny's tipple is. He styles himself a wowser, but I suspect he's a soak.
Jacqueline - your take on alcopops is very interesting and the thought that, being pre-mixed and of a known quantity, alcopops give young people some certainty, is interesting. The only thing working against that is the old adage, the man takes a drink, the drink takes a drink, the drink takes the man (or young woman as you describe)
The coverage we see on the telly though, seems to indicate that binging is a real part of the youth culture today, despite the alcohol pops.
And binging will still be a part of youth culture (and adult culture in this country) with or without alcopops. Banning them will not stop that.
I can't recall hearing of an alcohol poisoning related death that has been attributed to RTDs. In every instance the kid has had a bottle of straight spirits.
The alcohol content in those drinks is actually a lot lower than if they are drinking the stuff straight - which they will do if RTDs are banned.
Parents need to take responsibility on this issue. I don't drink and I don't want my children to drink - at all - but that is not realistic.
It is such a hard one, but i do know that if RTDs are ever banned, i will be going grey at a far faster rate than i am currently.
I'd like to see some sort of regulation (in the real sense of the word regulation - not banning, but managing the flow, of RTD's. In particular,accurate and transparent alcohol content, not having it sneaking up on the user and tipping the balance in favour of the alcohol industry and the hospitals. I also have concerns about the infantalised advertising, but that applies to so many things. Vodka isn't a 'pink parrot', or a 'green goanna', or what ever. It's vodka. Near straight alcohol. Just as tobacco isn't 'Holiday' etc. Good luck managing that though! The libertarians and hard-righties will fight tooth and nail to allow industry to ply it's dark art on us and our children.
I'm amused by your statement that 'parents need to...' Need is an odd one. We all need to stop polluting the environment etc, but won't because of the 'need'. It needs something more...compulsion? Nah, cunning strategy, I'd say.
Sorry Jacqueline don't agree ..I understand your attitude re own experience...
I raised five teenagers myself and yes they were given the parental don't do etc lessons ... Sorry I didnt encourage them to drink even at home ..oh they were given occasional cans of beer and maybe the occasional wine by Dad but NOT spirits.
I did encourage them to refrain etc from booze as long as the I could saying be careful booze can stuff up your life if not careful and the younger you are the less able you are to control your situation ...I have no doubt they ignored this occasionally as teenagers do and got into the odd mess.
I always encouraged them as there school did to pick out good friends and always go out entertaining with your friends and look after each other. Mates look after mates I guess scenario.....
I refused to in any way encourage drinking/partying say before 17...I did/insisted to take them to them before this age to organised dances etc and insisted to pick them and their friends up afterwards ..in fact I insisted if not me it must be another parent ( yeah I was the old fashioned mean interfering spoil sport mum!! and as I told them yeah I am I love you to much so tough and the rules still stand :) and they all grew up with little to no problems..all have went on to live a full life ..two sons in the Navy ( I dare say hmmm they were more educated their to booze But the Navy has good policy and programs to look after their young charges )
The girls went to University in Otago no idea what happened there DONT want to know what happened BUt the survived.... My youngest girl lived with us while she went to SIT in our front room ( with an access outside door and she used to invite friends for parties and blasted noisy music in this room and then the taxi to where ever together ..nothing happened to her or her friends and she in now a nurse and very happy as a mum and wife!!
Jacqueline sorry but alcohol pops are spirit drinks and the remnant can be seen every weekend broken etc on streets and parks ..the reality the young ones are NOT handling this drink its blatantly obvious by the mess it creates not all parents are on top of the game and they haven't aways been and they wont all be into the future...because life is like that some good some very poor !1
I think there are valid points on both sides of this argument. I feel passionatley about this issue after my own struggles - which started as a teenager downing a straight bottle of Southern Comfort and puking all over Mt Maunganui Beach at the age of 19 in 1989 - prior to alcopops existing.
At the end of the day it is really New Zealand's attitudes towards drinking and alcohol that need to change - not the actual alcohol.
Having grown up in another country i can say that our drinking culture here is not normal - which leads me back to the original point of this blog post - why has this report been buried? I want to know what is in it. We have a right to know what is in it.
Pailinem - congrats to you on raising such responsible children. I am hoping to do the same and so far so good.
I think they have looked at my mistakes and thought - BUGGER THAT!
:)
Jacqueline - it won't surprise you to hear that Dunne is denying the claim that he 'buried' the report. He says information that said the same thing was already 'out there' and there was no need to publish this report.
What crap.
He said also,at the time the decision was made, that there was no public appetite for changes such as those expressed in the report in question. Key said the same thing.
Both are fooling the public. Both are making fools of the public. Both are acting dictatorialy.
Both are rats :-)
Jacqueline, please don't fall off your chair - I agree wholeheartedly with you. I think I may have been on the beach with you at the Mount (in spirit at least). I too abstain now.
Making new law just means something new for the teenagers to get around. The first time I was falling down drunk was when I was 14. That was at a time when the purchase age (note we don't have a drinking age) was 20. Stupid? Absolutely - but that's teenagers with no consequential thinking...
And RG the ditching of a politically biased report is nothing new. I'm sure even your vaunted greens have hidden the reports that show climate change is a totally natural phenomenon (cheap shot I know but wanted to make a point).
The only thing thats going to make a difference is the community changing attitudes. It's really simple. For example if you don't want a liquor store in your area - stop buying from them. They'll be gone quick smart. Currently the community is saying they want these stores as they are supporting them.
Paranormal
Para - "And RG the ditching of a politically biased report is nothing new. I'm sure even your vaunted greens have hidden the reports that show climate change is a totally natural phenomenon (cheap shot I know but wanted to make a point)."
I don't think so! The Greens don't behave that way, hence my support for them. Dunne's actions are sinister and relate to his well documented connections and obedience to the alcohol (and tobacco) industry. That report ought to have been made public as it contradicted the actions of the Government. It was hidden, it was indicative and Dunne and Key are rats (sorry rats. I know I shouldn't burden you with human characteristics and that you are regular, natural creatures. I'm referring to the symbolic rat here.)
The fallout from Dunne's vileness has barely started:
http://asstdgoodies.blogspot.com/2011/12/resisting-dark-side-of-rebuild.html
Excellent Joe.
I loved the 'piss off' placard.
Go, those who don't just accept whats given them!
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