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Thursday, October 6, 2011

Carbon capture and storage

At the blessing of the briquette plant at Mataura, Don Elder assured me that he and Solid Energy were entirely confident that the CO2 created by their mining and refining of lignite, would be captured and stored, or mitigated by the planting of trees. I was very dubious about the capture and store claim prior to speaking with Don Elder and this quote by Vaclav Smil, lifted from the very good Sustainable Energy Forum (SEF) discussion group, makes me even less confident that it will ever be done.

When you do the hard numbers on CCS it just does not stack up at all.
The hard physical reality is that despite its technical feasibility, it cannot be
brought to significant scale in a useful time period (hat-tip JF)




But the scale of the effort needed for any substantial reduction of emissions, its safety considerations, public acceptance of permanent underground storage that might leak a gas toxic in high concentrations, and capital and operation costs of the continuous removal and burial of billions of tonnes of compressed gas combine to guarantee very slow progress. In order to explain the extent of the requisite effort I have been using a revealing comparison. Let us assume that we commit initially to sequestering just 20 percent of all CO2 emitted from fossil fuel combustion in 2010, or about a third of all releases from large stationary sources. After compressing the gas to a density similar to that of crude oil (800 kilograms per cubic meter) it would occupy about 8 billion cubic meters”meanwhile, global crude oil extraction in 2010 amounted to about 4 billion tonnes or (with average density of 850 kilograms per cubic meter) roughly 4.7 billion cubic meters. This means thatin order to sequester just a fifth of current CO2 emissions we would have to create an entirely new worldwide absorption-gathering compression- transportation- storage industry whose annual throughput would have to be about 70 percent larger than the annual volume now handled by the global crude oil industry whose immense infrastructure of wells, pipelines, compressor stations and storages took generations to build.
Technically possible”but not within a timeframe that would prevent CO2 from rising above 450 ppm. And remember not only that this would contain just 20 percent of today's CO2 emissions but also this crucial difference: The oil industry has invested in its enormous infrastructure in order to make a profit, to sell its product on an energy-hungry market (at around $100 per barrel and 7.2 barrels per tonne that comes to about $700 per tonne)” but (one way or another) the taxpayers of rich countries would have to pay for huge capital costs and significant operating burdens of any massive CCS.

6 comments:

nick said...

Another thorough, thought provoking investigation

http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2008/06/carbon-capture.html

robertguyton said...

Thanks Nick

paulinem said...

Dr Jan Wrights report makes it clear CC is NOT going to happen as its needs to be stored in a deep sink that needs to be sealed for 1000yrs. As Dr Wright makes it clear WHERE is this sink Elder plans to store the carbon captured as none suitable exists in Southland and Otago. Also overseas reports make it clear it will push up production costs by 50% as CC is very expensive to operate in production.

Robert Not sure if you are aware by the Medical students ( from Otago) for global awareness did another comprehensive report on the lignite mining ..it is very very compelling reading especially as to the medical problems the proposed mining will create

robertguyton said...

Thanks Pauline - is that study on-line?
Jan Wright was very secure in her findings and conclusions. She handled the denier questions with aplomb. There have been good letters to the editor :-)

paulinem said...

Will email the page the medical report in on for you ...Jan Wrights report is also on line somewhere.... I was given a hard copy of the report

robertguyton said...

Thanks Pauline - I've got a hard-copy of the lignite report from Jan.